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Sunday, May 31, 2009

HSUS's 3 Rs -vs- Animal Welfare (AWIC) 3 Rs

Ohmidog! blog has a blog post titled, "What's that Wayne Pacelle really up to?"
A sort of devil's advocate posting? :)

OhMiDog! says:
Some critics say HSUS has a secret “vegan agenda” — that it wants to take our steaks away. As a meat lover, and a smoker, and a person who likes smoked meats, I say, even if that were the case, so what? The animals I eat deserve a spokesperson.
Secret Agenda? No secret.

Remember Readin', Ritin', and Ritmatic? Those are the three Rs that are the basis of an old time education, of course.

HSUS and Animal Welfare Information Center (AWIC) each have published versions of their own three Rs.

First see Animal Welfare's (via AWIC's) point of view as it refers to the use of animals in science. Science is dear to my heart as is microbiology, aspects of clinical medical technology and research. I've worked in clinical medicine, grown many types of microorganisms and am familiar with animal components as used in a scientific diagnostic laboratory.

USDA's, AWIC has a presentation on their version of the three Rs' which seeks to educate scientists on ways to minimize animal use or harm to animals in order to meet animal welfare standards. Find it on the page above...
From a PDF slide show. The three R's mentioned are.
* Reduction -Minimize the number of animals used.

* Refinement -Employ techniques that reduce pain and distress.

* Replacement -Substitute animal with nonanimal methods or lower organisms.

NOW... Wayne Pacelle/HSUS mentions three Rs in a blog entry:
We believe in the Three Rs [my formatting below]

* reducing the consumption of meat and other animal-based foods;

* refining the diet by eating products only from methods of production, transport, and slaughter that minimize pain and distress; and

* replacing meat and other animal-based foods in the diet with plant-based foods.

It's no secret.

Here's another NonSecret, there is absolutely NO such thing as a vegan.

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Blogger jan sent us a woof // May 31, 2009

I'm constantly amazed at the number of otherwise well informed people (and bloggers) who think the HSUS is...well, what they pretend to be. I do believe the light of truth is beginning to shine on them.   

Blogger Semavi Lady sent us a woof // June 03, 2009

I run into people that point at HSUS's site and find pages there to prove it isn't anti-pitbull. Hello?

Great running into you, we're all so busy!   

Friday, May 29, 2009

Science and Veganism

Realists celebrate the human/animal bond. Much of the quality of our lives depends on this relationship.

Public health is important. We would not have clean public water nor much commercial food for ourselves or for the animals we care for, without the use of the animal components in laboratory testing media. In the laboratory we prepare tests using media which helps to differentiate the different types of microorganisms, based on what we are looking for. Here's one page showing a type of media used for testing samples for coliforms.

Products cleared for public health standards must pass minimum requirements imposed via technology used in public safety. Restaurants (even "vegan" ones), canneries and more must be able to pass public health requirements with clean standards. Produce such as lettuce, tomatoes, legumes, some nut products, pet foods, as well as lemon festooned drinks (see video) have recently been in the news--for they were contaminated with bacteria that did not meet passing levels. This contamination cannot be determined by use of a coin toss. Coliforms are natural occurring. They are everywhere. On doorknobs, the skins of grapes or on the surfaces of any coinage in your pockets.

Here's an interesting dichotomy. Vegans actively seek consumables such as vitamins, foods and clothing that are not dependent on animal sources or which somehow fit their individual definition of "cruelty free". White sugar and over the counter pregnancy testing involve animal media, and are therefore not vegan. This viewpoint seems rather selective as the same vegan sips from a glass of water or can of soda, or uses public water in their bathing and cooking. Veganism clearly does not exist in reality. Vegans may mean well but tend to languish in scientific denial. I prefer the term, vegetarian. It is certainly more honest. I have vegetarian friends and family members and I do enjoy vegetarian dishes. This commentary only seeks to address the fact that selective denial as practiced by vegans should not be part of our policy making and political processes which influence the balance of good that we (including "vegans") all enjoy because of technology. Imagine if public water and food safety testing ceased.

Using this dichotomy... This denial of reality is used by Animal Rights political groups to condone their activities. These political groups and including Animal Rights Terrorists selectively make targets out of attention getting issues which they feel will not compromise the faith and following of their support groups. In other words, keep the ignorance there, use bad "science", but use this source of ignorant energy to attack others.

Divide, and conquer. What a shame. Imagine what we could accomplish by working together for the goals of human and animal welfare.

That H2O from the faucet or a plastic bottle; those frozen snow peas, cans of mixed vegetables and Wayne Pacelle's jar of 'vegan' peanut butter are clean foods because of animal products. Vegan irony? Or simple Reality? You'd probably be hard pressed to find a vegan that processes their own sewage using vegan technology and no coliform testing to produce potable water.

There's probably no question that it is good for businesses to find niches to support. Sellers of vegan goods are only doing what is right for them, for business and our economy by appealing to this population. Remember, when people wanted to use 'cholesterol free' vegetable oils, companies knew that putting the 'cholesterol free' label onto these veggie oils could make the difference between making a sale, and not.

So much technology! Why do we need animal testing when we can simulate some things? The answer lies in the complicated realities of unique cellular systems, epigenetics, genome and more. It is not possible to program computers for scenarios when we have insufficient data upon which to base predictions.

"Soybeans and Livestock blog" recently used the following list of charities to remind all, just how much we rely on animal testing and animal media. The charities below are purportedly working to help improve some aspects of life. I'm not making recommendations. Even charities need checks and balances.

If you support reality and research, please consider signing the petition at Americans for Medical Progress and sharing balanced knowlege to discourage ignorance and discourage support for organizations that play on the ignorance of the masses.

*Charities on the People For the Ethical Treament of Animals (PETA) “Do Test” (on animals) List:


1. American Foundation for AIDS Research (AMFAR)

2. Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation

3. Pediatric AIDS Foundation


4. Alzheimer’s Association

5. Alzheimer’s Disease Research


6. Arthritis Foundation


7. March of Dimes Birth Defects Foundation

8. Muscular Dystrophy Association

9. Shriners Hospitals for Crippled Children

10. Shriners International Headquarters

11. The Smile Train

12. United Cerebral Palsy


13. Foundation Fighting Blindness

14. Massachusetts Lions Eye Research Fund

15. Research to Prevent Blindness


16. American Red Cross

17. Aplastic Anemia & MDS International Foundation, Inc

18. Leukemia & Lymphoma Society of America

19. National Hemophilia Foundation


20. Shriners Burn Institute/ Shriners International Headquarters


21. American Cancer Society

22. American Institute for Cancer Research,

23. The Breast Cancer Research Foundation

24. Cancer Research Foundation of America

25. Children’s Cancer Research Fund

26. City of Hope

27. Dana-Farber Cancer Institute

28. Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center

29. G & P Foundation for Cancer Research

30. The Jimmy Fund

31. John Wayne Cancer Institute

32. Lance Armstrong Foundation,

33. Leukemia & Lymphoma Society of America

34. Lombardi Cancer Center

35. Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center

36. National Cancer Research Center

37. National Foundation for Cancer Research

38. Nina Hyde Center for Breast Cancer Research/Lombardi Cancer Research Center,

39. The Ovarian Cancer Research Fund

40. St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital

41. Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation

42. The V Foundation for Cancer Research


43. Boys Town National Research Hospital

44. Children’s Cancer Research Fund

45. Children’s Hospital of Pittsburgh Foundation

46. Children’s National Medical Center

47. Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation

48. The Jimmy Fund

49 Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation International (JDRF),

50. Pediatric AIDS Foundation

51. Shriners Hospitals for Crippled Children/ Shriners International Headquarters,

52. The Smile Train

53. Society for Pediatric Pathology

54. St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital

55. Sudden Infant Death Syndrome Alliance


56. Boys Town National Research Hospital

57. Deafness Research Foundation


58. American Diabetes Association,

59. Joslin Diabetes Center

60. Juvenile Diabetes Foundation International


61. American Federation for Aging Research,


62. National Alliance for Research of Schizophrenia and Depression

63. National Alliance for the Mentally Ill


64. Epilepsy Foundation of America


65. American Heart Association

66. National Heart Foundation


67. Kidney Foundation of Canada

68. National Kidney Foundation


69. American Lung Association


70. Alliance for Lupus Research

71. American Brain Tumor Association

72. American Digestive Health Foundation

73. American Health Assistance Foundation

74. American Liver Foundation

75. American Tinnitus Association,

76. Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Association (ALS)

77. BNI Foundation,

78. Crohn’s & Colitis Foundation of America

79. Cystic Fibrosis Foundation

80. Endometriosis Association

81. Families of Spinal Muscular Atrophy

82. Huntington’s Disease Society of America

83. Lupus Foundation of America

84. National Multiple Sclerosis Society

85. Project A.L.S


86. American Paralysis Foundation

87. Christopher Reeve Paralysis Foundation

88. Eastern Paralyzed Veterans Association

89. Miami Project to Cure Paralysis

90. Paralyzed Veterans of America


91. American Parkinson Disease Association

92. Michael J. Fox Foundation for Parkinson’s Research

93. National Parkinson Foundation

94. Parkinson’s Disease Foundation, Inc.,


95. National Stroke Association


96. Eastern Paralyzed Veterans Association/Paralyzed Veterans of America

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Friday, March 20, 2009

Vegans admit it's a religion

The following is both hilarious

...and sad.

From the standpoint of a microbiologist and medical technologist, the above argument (see PDF) is very selective and funny. Were I to judge this argument, I'd throw these nuts out on their glutei maximi. The man just doesn't want to get a shot, based on this. In my opinion, he should be able to have a choice on the shot but that might restrict where he can work in the hospital, as in the event of an outbreak, since people are so litigious in these times, it would help to protect the jobs of others at the hospital.

But to me... It puts flashing lights around the ignorance of vegans. NOW... if the man is truly vegan, he would not use public water nor use ice cubes manufactured for commercial use. If he were truly vegan, he would not used canned or processed foods, nor would he would eat commercial fruits and vegetables. Veganism is primarily a modern philosophical argument that does not have any strong basis in reality nor any context in human history--although some seem to believe that some primitive groups were vegan. 'Fraid not folks.

I think it might be possible to be a true vegan, and not one that just toys at the idea, if one were homesteading and lived in location where one could have control of all products utilized or otherwise consumed. Climate, diversity of life, a flexible appetite (strong stomach), and a lot of ingenuity and hard work would have to be considered. Maybe a vegan commune of sorts, where enough people could contribute their skills for vegan clothing, foods, putting things up for the winter and so on.

Want more? I generally haven't bothered to get into the mental dichotomy of the vegan philosophy. I have had family members and many friends who are vegetarian to some degree or for periods of time. The long term ones (30 years or so) are no healthier than those the same age, who lived off junk food and the vegans have actually aged faster. :( The women who were veggies prior to having a child, usually have kids with some unfortunate challenges. Younger, long term vegan mothers may not have a pelvis structure wide enough to have a baby without a C-section. And some babies from vegan moms sometimes spend some of the first days or weeks of their lives in the ICU, as they are born with various types of compromise to their health and immune systems.

Weston A Price Foundation has materials that show even the most primitive of societies ensured that women had a wide variety of food stuffs before becoming pregnant. June marriages were traditionally thought to be a favored time since the richness of nutrients in the springtime would contribute to the pregnancy to come. The richness of spring grass on dairy butter creates a naturally golden yellow product because of high level of grass nutrient early in the grazing season. Contrast commercial butter, artificially converted from ghostly white to a pale yellow with the use of annato.

Pre-pregnancy diet may be the period of time that is most critical for the development of ova (and sperm), letting the developing fetus have optimal chances to be perfect. Children, babies and fetuses are not 'lab rats' to raise on the newest vegan philosophies presented by a population of people representing between 1 and 4% of philosophical foodists... Give children every advantage--please. As I have worked in health care and clinical technology (blood & gore, analysis and diagnostic value in health care) I'm familiar with some of the patterns in some of the various dietary lifestyles, and the vegan ranks rather average or quite poorly in the long term.

Vegan IS GOOD initially, because it is an awareness training exercise; people become more aware of what they are putting into their bodies and that they begin to feel healthier because of this. They can opt to go low sugar/junk and seek nutrient dense foods, but some don't because they cannot let go of sugar and junk food habits. For some, it's easier to just generally avoid anything that seems to be animal related. ...although I have seen some enjoying marshmallow laced rice crispy treats and other animal containing foods -- oops! ...but that is okay. None of us are saints.

Older people regardless of diet may start to have less efficient absorption of some nutrients, just as all older beings can over time. Low levels of B12 with higher levels of folate in the diet can lead to rapid cognitive decline. Feel a little woozy or mental fog? ... sometimes B12 can help.

There is no such thing as a truly vegan commercial peanut butter, a truly vegan restaurant, canned food or other commercial product from a food processing facility that is properly licensed, inspected and periodically tested.

Every place has to meet inspection and cleanliness requirements. Products periodically have to be tested for coliforms and other such things and most places use water that has been tested for coliforms anyway.

This coliform testing is done by taking samples, sending them to a laboratory that plates out the specimen onto media.

Guess what this media is made of. It is an animal product.

Even ice machines, wells and sources of drinking water are periodically tested for coliforms. (remember all those lemon water scare videos on youtube?)

Your average fresh commercial tomato and lettuce is also periodically tested for coliforms using animal media. Did you hear about all that lettuce that failed coliform tests? Yes, peptone agars and broth media are not vegan.

What is this media? Here's just one recipe for laboratory media that tests water supplies & ice cubes, among other things.

Processed sugar is not vegan although that is counter intuitive to many. Processed white sugar and most processed brown sugar (is usually white sugar that is darkened with molasses) is made that way with non vegan processing. Any place that processes foods anyway, has to pass periodic inspection as mentioned above.

So, among our modern cohorts, there is not a single vegan that truly lives a "vegan" life. They are all, every single one of them, selective about what they consider big deals. Call them hypocrites or even better, hopeless idealists. But as long as they are not trying to 'evangelize' others to join their 'religion' with the use of misinformation, and as long as children and young women planning to have families get the nutrition they need, I'm just not overly concerned unless it's a member of my family.

Heart disease, insulin resistance, gut issues and high blood pressure as well as depression, some increased inability to think clearly are traits among vegans and some vegetarians, and are common long term effects of malnutrition.

What else isn't vegan? HIV testing, premarital testing, a culture for a sore throat, and even an OTC pregnancy test all require animal media. This is different than the peptone media used in water testing. For example, monoclonal antibodies don't come from carrots. ;) So... how many vegans are celibate? Do they screen their partners? What method do they use, coin toss or laboratory testing?

I can forgive people for being ignorant about these issues in medical science because science and critical thinking is not a strong point in our activist, "politically correct" society. Even news is part of entertainment media. I get more than a little annoyed when cult figures like pretty boy Wayne Pacelle and others, pose to be so educated and go on pulling the wool over the eyes of their dittoheads'. I'd rather see that those who choose "vegan" know its limitations and the fallacy of the existence of a 'vegan' lifestyle.

There's a lot of misinformation out there on veggie and vegan bulletin boards. Even nutritionists who may have taken some courses in nursing, generally memorize a script and stick with it to keep their credentials. Many have never made laboratory media, and are generally not involved with endocrinology and cardiology. Simple things such as peptone broth, sheep blood agar plates or brain infusion media, ELISA or Western Blot for different lab tests that their patients may require lose their context, and they forget that these tests are only possible with animal products.

The vegan lifestyle is a selective one but it is often talked about with passion. It's like any other religion where you pick and choose just how 'fundamental' you want to be. It will be interesting if veganism proves to be a valid excuse to avoid getting a shot. :)

Tangentally related to vegetarianism are issues concerning cholesterol in the diet. Veggie groups tend to make a huge fuss about cholesterol. Basic issues are that cholesterol is not what most people have been lead to think it is. This wrong thinking is encouraged via Pharma industries because statins make them so much money. Science has shown that cholesterol is important, has reason for the way it behaves and actually exists to do you good. I'm a huge fan of, Dr. Uffe Ravnskov and Dr. Malcolm McKully. The last doctor has done a lot to clarify issues in Cholesterol. Check out his link.

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Friday, March 23, 2007

Is Your Dog Vegan?

Is your dog Vegan?

HSUS is anti pet:
  • "We have no ethical obligation to preserve the different breeds of livestock produced through selective breeding. One generation and out. We have no problem with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding." Wayne Pacelle, Senior VP of Humane Society of the United States

  • "If I had my personal view, perhaps that might take hold. In fact, I don't want to see another dog or cat born." Wayne Pacelle

  • "I don't have a hands-on fondness for animals. To this day I don't feel bonded to any non-human animal. I like them and I pet them and I'm kind to them, but there's no special bond between me and other animals." Wayne Pacelle

  • "The life of an ant and that of my child should be granted equal consideration." Michael W. Fox, Scientific Director and former Vice President, The Humane Society of the United States

Above quotes are NOT from PeTA. They are from the HSUS, which has adopted the radical Vegan movement that is supported by terrorists.

The idea is that people should not eat meat, thus the keeping of cats and dogs clearly requires that they as carnivores MUST be eliminated because we need to feed MEAT to our pets. Antipet legislation is very real. It seems alarmist but that is because we have had our eyes closed for so long.

HSUS and PeTA are both organizations that do NOT support cancer or AIDs or any other research for us or our pets.
  • "To those people who say, My father is alive because of animal experimentation,' I say Yeah, well, good for you. This dog died so your father could live.' Sorry, but I am just not behind that kind of trade off." Bill Maher, PETA celebrity spokesman

  • In 2005 HSUS Pacelle announced the formation of a new "Animal Protection Litigation Section" within HSUS, dedicated to "the process of researching, preparing, and prosecuting animal protection lawsuits in state and federal court".
We know what PeTA has recently done, using their legal clout.


See a running list of terrorist acts that these Animal Rights groups are supporting and help fund:

If you have read Reno's story (Carina's got the best collection of links on Reno Story), you may realize that this could happen to any of us directly or indirectly. If you are trying to help with rescue or are giving another pet a loving home, and are found to be over the pet 'limit', you will be informed that your personal property (the dogs/cats) will be forcibly removed from you. You could try to get a kennel license, but face it, your own neighbors are going to think the worst, that you are an animal collector, there will be poop and barks everywhere, and they will veto it.

If you are a breeder and place some dogs with great families who then find out they are forced to neuter their four old month pet or they need to get 'rid' of some of their pets because they adopted a cat -- or maybe some other family situation puts them over the limit -- They may need to send you YOUR puppy back, what happens next? What if that now puts YOU over the limit? Ex posto facto? Some of the limit laws do not grandfather the multi-pet owners in. What if they can't afford to move? What happens to their pets? Sorry the new ordinance means you have no rights. (although these laws are actually unconstitutional in many cases. There is legal precedence of this but it comes at great cost to those who may have their lives destroyed in the process!)

Breeders need to inform their puppy people to become aware of legislation in their areas.

There are other antiAnimal agendas happening all over the country right now. Several cities whose legislators who did not get enough feedback may have 'thought it was a good idea' have passed mandatory spay/neuter (MSN) laws.

California is being groomed to be the first state to pass mandatory spay and neuter. If you are aware, MSN has aready been accepted in regions of California. The impact of this 'surprising' success has provided powerful force of misinformation to spread the these laws statewide. Once California has it in place, other places will quickly follow.
  • "We are going to use the ballot box and the democratic process to stop all hunting in the United States ... We will take it species by species until all hunting is stopped in California. Then we will take it state by state. Wayne Pacelle, Senior VP Humane Society of the US (HSUS), formerly of Friends of Animals and Fund for Animals, Full Cry Magazine, October 1, 1990.
Anatolian Shepherd Dogs and other Livestock guardian dogs (LGDs) are considered a threat to wolf and wildlife populations -- and of course, they eat meat. You cannot explain your way out of this one to AR.

People still think, 'it can't happen here' and they do not write their legislators nor talk to their friends to spread the word. Los Angeles county is now in deep doodoo, other areas around the country are having serious problems and people like us do not have the finances and political clout of HSUS, PeTA and their peers. We are losing.


Check to see if forums are available to let you know what is going on at your state, go here:

If your state isn't listed, it may just mean that a specific forum for yours hasn't been started up. The main list IS nationwide, and may have postings relevant to your state. Read more here and look for info about the pet-law mailing list.

California voters must get involved now. The HSUS and PeTA have millions of dollars of our own pet loving money to use against us. As of now, the hearing to impose mandatory spay and neuter over the entire state will be in April. It will then be up to the Governor to veto or pass it.

More reading:
Animal Rights and White Elephants, What you Don't see about Dogs, Vegans, HSUS, AR, by Alice Nagy for TheDogPress: "The phrase Animal Rights furthers their goal. The word Vegan would be very scary for them to hear coming from 'Omnis'. The word Vegan tells the listener you will have to eat their way, if you allow them to make meat overly expensive until it disappears. You will have no pets because pets eat meat. Eventually everything and everyone will become Vegan. That is their agenda. The term is Vegan."

More quotes from Animal Rights extremist leaders."The cat, like the dog, must disappear... We should cut the domestic cat free from our dominance by neutering, neutering, and more neutering, until our pathetic version of the cat ceases to exist." John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination of A Changing Ethic (Washington, DC: People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), 1982, p. 15.

More on Reno's story: Ordinances, not all are listed for Reno's town of Holland, Wisconsin. And as of now, the minutes for the meeting where Reno was discussed (March 14, according to the news article) is not listed as of this posting.

Pet Limit laws are unconstitutional.

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Blogger threecollie sent us a woof // March 24, 2007

This is a great post. Thanks for visiting my blog and leaving a contact.
I am hoping you don't mind if I link back to this post, as this is an outstanding explanation of what goes on with HSUS and PeTA. They are the sworn enemy of every true animal lover in the world.   

Blogger Semavi Lady sent us a woof // March 24, 2007

Threecollie, thanks for the link. Yes, let's get the word out!
Thank you!   

Blogger Carina sent us a woof // March 24, 2007

Great and scary stuff...I'm off to work now but will read more fully later tonight.
Your response to whatshername (Vera?) was wonderful...I was going to add to it but you pretty much said it all.
Several years ago I would have called people like you and 3collie and me alarmist and paranoid....but with the insiduous creeping of BSL, MSN and animal rights legislation, it's becoming very real. The ONLY reason I buy city licences for my dogs is on the offchance they're ever involved with any sort of bite incident I want as much power as possible to keep them safe and not killed. They are charming and well behaved but being Rottweilers they're automatically at fault...   

Anonymous jan sent us a woof // March 26, 2007

Excellent post. Good points and good evidence to back it up, I hope dog lovers will rise up and understand what is going on with organizations that purportedly represent animals.   

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